I made this thread for the purpose of creating a word in Dovahzul for this Latin word: Agape. In English, this is Self-sacrificing love, the willingness to lay down your life, ambitions, comfort, etc. for the good of your fellow mortal. I have been racking my mind for months trying to find an appropriate translation for this. Perhaps my more experienced colleagues can assist in this?

Examples of Agape:

1. Anna sacrificing her life for Elsa in Frozen.

2. Harry sacrificing his life so that his friends have a chance to defeat Voldemort in Harry Potter Book 7.

I am unfortunately not nearly as adept as the others. Still, that is word worth having. I have an very ambitious dream to complete a short story using only Dovahzul. So far I have been very good with using it for journal entries.

I understand Zarahmiik means sacrifice and maar is a suffice for self for pronouns... there's a start there.

Phelan1019

I made this thread for the purpose of creating a word in Dovahzul for this Latin word: Agape. In English, this is Self-sacrificing love, the willingness to lay down your life, ambitions, comfort, etc. for the good of your fellow mortal.

That is a mortal concept. If a dovah were to see one of his bretheren about to die, I feel he would just kill him himself and take his soul and power for his own purposes. 

 "Onikaan ni ov dovah. It is always wise to mistrust a dovah."

However, I myself think that would be a good word. So I looked at it like this. Dov would think it to be a mortal concept, and a foolish one at that. They only have a love for power and themselves. Anything else is useless.

Meyzahrahmiik, or "Fool's/Foolish sacrifice", seems apropriate.

Phelan1019

I made this thread for the purpose of creating a word in Dovahzul for this Latin word: Agape. In English, this is Self-sacrificing love, the willingness to lay down your life, ambitions, comfort, etc. for the good of your fellow mortal. 

You could also work with the word 'altruism', for anyone trying to translate. From what I can tell, they mean the same thing. Actually, after googling, it seems that 'agape' has the connotation of being "self-sacrificing love akin to the love the Judeo-Christian God has for mankind". But from a translating pov, they should both suffice imo.

But I like Mulhahlor's idea, mu los do gein Thu'um, it does put self-sacrifice into a dovah's perspective quite well.

Mahlaansaviik

Phelan1019

I made this thread for the purpose of creating a word in Dovahzul for this Latin word: Agape. In English, this is Self-sacrificing love, the willingness to lay down your life, ambitions, comfort, etc. for the good of your fellow mortal. 

Actually, after googling, it seems that 'agape' has the connotation of being "self-sacrificing love akin to the love the Judeo-Christian God has for mankind". 

Exactly! This is the kind of love that Christ ordered us to emulate. We must love our fellow people the way that God loves us. That's my philosophy, anyway.

Mulhahlor

That is a mortal concept. If a dovah were to see one of his bretheren about to die, I feel he would just kill him himself and take his soul and power for his own purposes. 

 "Onikaan ni ov dovah. It is always wise to mistrust a dovah."

However, I myself think that would be a good word. So I looked at it like this. Dov would think it to be a mortal concept, and a foolish one at that. They only have a love for power and themselves. Anything else is useless.

Meyzahrahmiik, or "Fool's/Foolish sacrifice", seems apropriate.

YES! But meyzahrahmiik just feels too large for something a dragon has such little thought on.

Hindjoor? Laat hind? Just throwing ideas, I'm thinking something more along the lines of, final foolish move, insignificant action, etc.

Mul klo riik

Mulhahlor

That is a mortal concept. If a dovah were to see one of his bretheren about to die, I feel he would just kill him himself and take his soul and power for his own purposes. 

 "Onikaan ni ov dovah. It is always wise to mistrust a dovah."

However, I myself think that would be a good word. So I looked at it like this. Dov would think it to be a mortal concept, and a foolish one at that. They only have a love for power and themselves. Anything else is useless.

Meyzahrahmiik, or "Fool's/Foolish sacrifice", seems apropriate.

YES! But meyzahrahmiik just feels too large for something a dragon has such little thought on.

Hindjoor? Laat hind? Just throwing ideas, I'm thinking something more along the lines of, final foolish move, insignificant action, etc.

Those seem good too, if only "sacrifice" wasn't so wordy! But if I had to pick, "Insignificant action" seems the best fit for a shorter version.

Mulhahlor

That is a mortal concept. If a dovah were to see one of his bretheren about to die, I feel he would just kill him himself and take his soul and power for his own purposes. 

 "Onikaan ni ov dovah. It is always wise to mistrust a dovah."

However, I myself think that would be a good word. So I looked at it like this. Dov would think it to be a mortal concept, and a foolish one at that. They only have a love for power and themselves. Anything else is useless.

Meyzahrahmiik, or "Fool's/Foolish sacrifice", seems apropriate.

Yes, this is a mortal concept, and it seems to be foolishness to many mortals as well as dovah. However, Paarthurnax may be the one dragon in Tamriel, as well as any who follow him, who might beleive in this. So, perhaps there can be two versions of the word, one version referring to it as foolish, and one honoring it. Personally, I beleive that self-sacrifice is the key to true and lasting hapiness. I mean, if you could buy happiness, then why do so many of the rich and famous turn to drugs or commit suicide, like Robin Williams.

Phelan1019

Mulhahlor

That is a mortal concept. If a dovah were to see one of his bretheren about to die, I feel he would just kill him himself and take his soul and power for his own purposes. 

 "Onikaan ni ov dovah. It is always wise to mistrust a dovah."

However, I myself think that would be a good word. So I looked at it like this. Dov would think it to be a mortal concept, and a foolish one at that. They only have a love for power and themselves. Anything else is useless.

Meyzahrahmiik, or "Fool's/Foolish sacrifice", seems apropriate.

Yes, this is a mortal concept, and it seems to be foolishness to many mortals as well as dovah. However, Paarthurnax may be the one dragon in Tamriel, as well as any who follow him, who might beleive in this. So, perhaps there can be two versions of the word, one version referring to it as foolish, and one honoring it. Personally, I beleive that self-sacrifice is the key to true and lasting hapiness. I mean, if you could buy happiness, then why do so many of the rich and famous turn to drugs or commit suicide, like Robin Williams.

Yes, I like the idea of having multiple connotations of a word, after all, they would be in essence two different concepts. Before I buy into that idea though, do any of our other words have multiple versions in a similar fashion to what was suggested? I don't want to be the first to submit two translations for the same word.

In the mean time, let's work both branches, in the end, we will either decide on a word, or have two. Agreed?

Sounds good.

What about something like joorzinmey -- "mortal honor fool," or some combination of the three -- or sahloblaan, meaning "weak end?" I, myself, am partial to the latter.

Aaliizah

What about something like joorzinmey -- "mortal honor fool," or some combination of the three -- or sahloblaan, meaning "weak end?" I, myself, am partial to the latter.

Joorzinmey seems to work, sahloblaan rolls of the tongue and sounds more natural for a dov. I want something that works like sahloblaan but doesn't feel, "sahlo" in origin. Good one though. *says word over and over to himself, sahloblaan*

Out of curiosity, why not sahlo?

Aaliizah

Out of curiosity, why not sahlo?

Because it's not just any fool, it's a specific case. At least, I think that's why.